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of Torah Plural Marriage.
Much has been said recently regarding Torah Plural Marriage.
Shalom Dear Members and Friends,
Much has been said recently in regards to Torah Plural Marriage.
Perhaps
the most formidable obstacle to reviving a Biblical Patriarchy is the very definition we give to the concept of masculinity.
Even in ostensibly Christian circles, a faulty definition of manhood prevails. True manhood is defined by Yahweh and the lifestyle
instruction taught to him through Torah. Amein
It is a melancholy and a humiliating fact that the opinions of most
people are determined more by what others around them think and say than by what they believe themselves. They are not accustomed
to the proper exercise of their own reason, and do not follow the convictions of their own minds.
We need to be DOING
THE UNTHINKABLE these days, and that happens to be actually delving into the GOOD BOOK or the very WORD of Yahweh.
IF
HE TAKE ANOTHER WIFE "If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish."
Exodus 21:10.
Exodus 21:10 protects the first (and previous) wife(s). Note that this verse comes only 22 verses AFTER
the 7th Commandment ("Thou shalt not commit adultery") in Exodus 20:14.
I have heard it being stated that plural marriage
is a curse from Yahweh! Pity the poor wretch who calls the Kodosh of Yahweh - a curse. Calling Biblical Plural Marriage
a cursing - would have to be setting your face against the very face of Yahweh, His WORD and His Kodosh Nation.
Take
monogamy as it is today, in Protestant countries, and we see that the old Roman leaven is still in it. Christianity has not
reformed and purified that system so much as that has corrupted Christianity. Most of us in these countries are accustomed
to congratulate ourselves upon our happy escape from the bondage and the bigotry of the Papal Church. Yet we are mistaken.
We have not escaped. Rome binds us in stronger shackles than the iron chains of the holy Inquisition. Her shackles are upon
our consciences: they are intertwined with every fiber of our social life.
We are too servile and timid in our interpretation
of the Bible, and in our examination of the divine and natural laws. We hesitate to follow the simple truth to its legitimate
and logical conclusions. We stand aghast at the radical changes which severe truth requires in our religious and social systems.
We shrink from exploring the profound labyrinths to which truth attempts in vain to lead us; while we look anxiously around
for clues and leading-strings by which to trace our way. We dare not go forward without example and authority; and authority
and example are often leavened lechem pointing us more to Rome than to Yerushaliyim.
The burning issue is the liberty
of the True Believer or Nazarene Israelite, who has historically come under assault from both state and church.
Shalom
Aliechem from
Rabbi Israel Wichman Nazarene Israel Assembly
Reply by Rabbi Israel Wichman on June 21, 2008 at 3:03pm
The Normality of Torah Plural Marriage
As we study our Hebrew Scriptures carefully we
not only discover that having multiple wives is permitted but that it is perfectly normal, and to such an extent that Yahweh
allegories His relationship to Israel, and Messiah to the Messianic Community, in the language of multiple marriage. We can
confidently say, then, that plural marriage is not only fully integrated into the way of life of Israel and the Messianic
Community but that it is positively promoted as a symbol of the relationship between the Divine and the fellowship of those
who are saved.
A common accusation levelled by Westerners is that plural marriage belongs to the Old Testament (Tanach)
whereas monogamy is the rule of the New (Brit Chadashah), as though the two were somehow antagonistic and as though Yahweh
suddenly changed his moral and ethical laws. They say that because multiple marriage is nowhere mentioned directly in the
New Testament that this is evidence enough that it was done away with by Messiah (Moshiach). However, you cannot argue from
silence. If Moshiach said something like, "It is written, if a man has two wives ... but I say to you that a man shall only
have one wife," then the matter would be settled for Christians, but no such Torah modification exists.
The Rabbis
themselves, strongly influenced by Greek - influenced Western culture, did not outlaw polygamy until a thousand years after
Moshiach Yahshua, and then only for a thousand years.
Instead, what do we find? We find Rabbi Shaul (Paul) saying that
anyone who forbids marriage is teaching a doctrine of demons:
"Now the Ruach (Spirit) expressly says that in latter
times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy,
having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which Eloah
(God) created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth" (1 Tim.4:1-3, NKJV).
'Traditionally',
of course, this passage has been 'interpreted' to mean forbidding a man from taking one wife to be "forbidding to marry".
But as we know this is not how the Hebrew Scripture defines marriage. If I have one wife, and a priest says to me, "You can't
take a second wife", then the meaning is the same: he is forbidding me to marry in the biblical sense. He is giving heed to
deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons.
The doctrine that a man may only have one wife is demonic! It is plain evil.
Anyone who outlaws plural marriage is therefore an agent of those powers who oppose Yahweh's Kingdom. Notice that this
is a "latter times" phenomenon. According to the Brit Chadashah (New Testament), the "latter times" or "last days" began at
Shavu'ot (Pentecost) when the prophecy of Joel was fulfilled:
"And it shall come to pass in the last days, says Eloah
(God), That I will pour out of My Ruach Hakodosh on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men
shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams" (Acts 2:17, NKJV).
We have been in the "latter times" or "last
days" ever since as a specific kind of wickedness unfolds. In our 21st century we are witnessing the fulfilment of many Brit
Chadashah prophecies as the end-time scenario winds itself up. The banning of multiple marriage is a sign of it.
We
know that plural marriage existed amongst the Notzrim (early Christians) from the sayings of Rabbi Shaul. For instance, he
writes:
"It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even
named among the Gentiles -- that a man has his father's wife!" (1 Cor.5:1, NKJV).
Now had Rabbi Shaul meant that a
son was sleeping with his mother, he would have said that "a man has (or "went into") his mother". Quite clearly a man had
been sleeping with one of his father's plural wives, a sin as recorded in Leviticus:
"The nakedness of your father
or the nakedness of your mother you shall not uncover. She is your mother; you shall not uncover her nakedness. The nakedness
of your father's wife you shall not uncover; it is your father's nakedness" (Lev.18:7-8, NKJV).
Notice that there are
two categories - mother and father's wife, the latter a plural wife and not the same as the man's mother. This all Jews understood,
and it is the latter Rabbi Shaul is referencing here.
Many ignorant Christians accuse King David of the imaginary 'sin
of polygamy'. Quite apart from the fact that we have established beyond doubt that plural marriage is not a sin, it is perfectly
clear that David's sin was not 'polygamy' but adultery against another man's wife, namely, Bathsheba, wife of Uriah. To this
crime he added the sin of murder, murdering her husband so he could have Bathsheba to himself. And his punishment, as we know,
was great. However, his sin was not marrying more than woman, as is made very plain in the following passage:
"Then
Nathan said to David, "You are the man! Thus says Yahweh-Elohim of Israel: 'I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered
you from the hand of Saul. I gave you your master's house and your master's wives into your keeping, and gave you the house
of Israel and Judah. And if that had been too little, I also would have given you much more! Why have you despised the commandment
of Yahweh, to do evil in His sight? You have killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword; you have taken his wife to be your wife,
and have killed him with the sword of the people of Ammon" (2 Sam.12:7-9, NKJV).
In these three verses, Yahweh condemns
murder and adultery whilst saying that it is He who gave David his plural wives in the first place and would have given him
more wives had he not been satisfied with just the ones he had!
Now how can having multiple wives be a sin or adultery
if Yahweh says plural wives are a gift to a kodosh (godly) man... that is, godly before David turned to adultery and murder?
Wherever
you look, you will find scriptural consistency. Marriage - one or more wives per husband - is a gift of Yahweh. I repeat,
nowhere in the Bible is having multiple wives declared a sin or adultery by the Most High.
Such 'sins' are in the imagination
of fallen man.
This was not the only time that Yahweh blessed multiple wives. Leah, first of four wives of Jacob, declared
upon the birth of her son Issachar:
"Leah said, "God (Elohim) has given me my wages, because I have given my maid to
my husband." So she called his name Issachar" (Gen.30:18, NKJV).
Here Leah clearly understands that she has become
pregnant and had another child after she thought she was past giving birth because Yahweh is blessing her for giving her husband
her maidservant to be his fourth wife.
The Scriptures are plain: plural marriage is divinely sanctioned and protected.
Prophets and wives themselves understood that multiple wives were Yahweh's gift both to themselves and their husbands.
Shalom
Aliechem from Rabbi Israel Wichman
Replies to This Discussion
Reply by Rabbi Simon Altaf on June 22, 2008 at 7:33am
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Noah was born from the third marriage of Lamech the supposed first polygynist.
If Lamech had
not married his third wife there would be no Noah and No you and no Me and no Messiah, there would be no redemption for any
including Christians ignorant of these facts. Many unscriptural positions have been accepted by masses because lack of knowledge
of Patriarchial lifestyles set by Torah. Ya'acov had four wives through which the righteous line of 12 sons came and each
son is set-apart.
Before people jump to conclusion they should see Abraham had many wives including the much beloved
King David estimated to have at least 18 wives though figures are not always clear.
Rabbi Simon
CHRISTIAN OPPOSITION TO POLYGAMY AND HOW IT CAME ABOUTfrom Rabbi Israel Wichman Sometimes
we need to look back to gain insight and a little truth and openness to a subject which is shrouded in ignorance. Firstly,
I have heard it said, - “no it’s not in the New Testament!” When we come into Nazarene Israel we have to
study all the Scripture as one Book. No Old and New! All one! And I repeat, All One! Yahshua, Shaul and the other apostles
and disciples of the Master taught from the Tanach. One thing they didn’t have was, a “New Testament” or
church for that matter! So it is vitally important to understand the norms and historic settings of the Tanach periods and
to study Torah particularly relating to the subject of Patriarchal Plural Marriages. Christian commentators with a
perverted perspective following in the Roman Catholic tradition have tremendous difficulty with for example Ya’akov
(Jacob) having four wives. This very point shows to what extent the Roman church is not a continuation of Hebrew traditions,
society and morality, but rather the continuation of Greek and Roman pagan traditions, society and morality. Homosexuality
was a major force in ancient Greece. The warrior class considered themselves to be super masculine, and therefore the highest
object of their affections and attention was other males. The preferred relationship was a seasoned soldier with a young boy.
They viewed women as "breeders", an unfortunate necessity for continued population, but not ideal partners. In Sparta, each
new recruit in the army (age twelve) was given to an older soldier to be his sex slave for two years. Plato and Socrates,
the supposedly great Greek philosophers also were homosexuals, and lauded the practice. (See "The Pink Swastika" by Lively
and Abrams pages 15-19) Christianity somewhat discouraged homosexuality, but adopted entirely the Greek attitude towards
women and normal relations between men and women. Christianity adopted the view that the normal relationship between a
man and a woman is intrinsically sinful, could only be justified for the sake of having children, and that the whole institution
of marriage is only a concession to the yetzer hara (evil inclination). Christianity held that the ideal is for a man to castrate
himself (Mathew 19:12), and barring that he should if at all possible be celibate. Even having one wife is a concession to
the yetzer hara, and having more than one wife is out of the question. This is in stark contrast to Hebrew ideals.
Homosexuality is a capital crime. Normal marital relations are not just a concession to the yetzer hara, they are an ideal.
A posuk in Mishlei says "In your youth you should sow your seed, and also in old age you should not let your hand rest." Chazal
(our sages) interpret this to mean that one should be married and have normal marital relations even when past child bearing
years. In many communities, a man would not receive s'micha (Orthodox Judaism rabbinical ordination) until he was married.
A person cannot be a teacher of small children unless he is married. They considered the married state to be the ideal state. The
Christian opposition to polygamy is deep rooted and still virulent. Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon religion was murdered
in an anti polygamy massacre about 160 years ago. Within this decade U.S. Government agents murdered a cult leader and 100
of his followers. One of the "charges" against him in demonizing him to the United States Public was that his group practiced
polygamy. We do not support pseudo religions or cults, but we can see from these two incidents the background against which
the Cherem Rabbeinu Gershom (polygamy ban) was made. Most people consider the idea of a man having two wives as somehow
immoral. In fact, all of the halachic Judaism authorities state without the slightest hesitation or doubt that the reason
for the ban was not for moral issues, not to protect the Torah, but for purely social reasons. The Cherem Rabbeinu Gershom
(orthodox rabbinical ruling) against polygamy which was done to avoid massacres by the Christians, will probably totally disappear
when Orthodox Judaism realizes that they no longer have to worry about what the Christians want from them. And perhaps this
is another interpretation of what the Vilna Gaon meant when he said that eliminating the Cherem Rabbeinu Gershom would bring
the g'ulah (redemption) closer. When we can worship Yahweh and do his commandments without worrying what the gentiles think,
we will be much closer to the redemption in his opinion. Mipnei chata'einu galinu mei'artzenu, because of our sins
we were exiled from our land. We went into exile among Edom, the descendants of Esav/Esau. Rav Yaakov Emden says that the
reason for the ban was danger from the uncircumcised people (that is the Christians) among whom they lived. Christianity worked
hard over the period from about 600 c.e. to 900 c.e. to eliminate polygamy in Europe. By the year 858, Herard of Tours got
so far as to limit people to two wives. Shortly thereafter, the ban among Christians in Europe became almost complete, and
they were soon restricted to only one wife. Since the Christians were now banned from something that had been normal practice
for many years, they resented the fact that the Jews could continue to have more than one wife. When goyim resent Jews,
Jews get killed. Therefore to prevent massacres of the Jews, Rabbeinu Gershom banned polygamy. The ban was limited
geographically to Germany and the parts of France that were near by. It spread to Poland and European Russia. It was not accepted
in southern France, Spain, Italy, Greece, Turkey, Israel, Africa and Asia. In the regions where it was accepted, the ban included
a cherem (excommunication) for violators. In the areas where it was not accepted, it had no force whatsoever. Rav Yaakov Emden
wrote that since the whole reason for the takonah was fear of the Christians, so, of course, as soon as a person is not located
in a Christian country, the ban does not apply to him. If there is a fertility problem (usually considered to be ten years
without children), Rabbeinu Gershom himself said that there was no ban whatsoever, so a man could take a second wife even
in Germany itself even before the year 5000 and even more so now, and certainly in Israel, where the takonah never applied. Rome
and the church were our framework for one thousand nine hundred years. During that period, we defended ourselves as best we
could. Among the defences was to ban polygamy, something considered by Yahweh and his Torah to be moral, fine and normal.
Something considered fine and normal in the vast majority of human societies since the beginning of history (as if we need
them for justification). But because of our exile in Europe, we picked up certain alien values. We somehow took polygamy,
something practiced by our Patriarchs, by King David, etc. throughout our history, and associated with gilui arayos, the depraved
sexual practices which are practiced or condoned by the peoples surrounding us. We must now divorce ourselves from this goyish
mindset. Polygamy was part of the founding of our people, and was part of Yahweh’s Divine plan for us. Shalom
Aliechem in Moshiach Yahshua Malkeynu Rabbi Israel Wichman
Reply by Rabbi Israel Wichman on June 22, 2008 at 11:08am
Original Plan of Yahweh For Marriage?
Shalom Simon from Rabbi Israel Wichman
To
clarify your Discussion contribution, I assume that with the name at the begininning that this is written by Rabbi Raymond
Apple, and is he of Orthodox Judaism understanding?
I would encourage you to read the Forum headed "Much has been
said recently regarding Torah Plural Marriage." One of the most commonly attempted arguments against polygamy makes
the assertion that polygamy is supposedly not the "original plan of Yahweh for marriage".
This assertion is based solely
upon two sequential factors. 1. Yahshua's reference to "at the beginning" in Verse 4 of the Mattityahu/Matthew 19:3-9 passage,
and thus, 2. the "Beginning" story: Adam and Eve.
That "at the beginning" phrase, which Yahshua used there, of course,
was only addressing divorce, not Torah Plural Marriage.
Moreover, there is an additional very exegetically important
matter to note about all this. Namely, the very story of "the beginning" (with Adam and Eve) ---indeed, the entire book of
Beresheeth/Genesis (which starts with the first three words, "In the beginning")--- was written by Moshe. And Moshe was a
polygamist with two wives! Certainly, the very mortal author of the story "at the beginning" would know what he wrote and
whether his own polygamy was not part of "Yahweh's" (if it was not)!
Accordingly, it is clear that that phrase, "at
the beginning", is simply not relevant to the topic of polygamy, anyway. Nevertheless, though, that phrase is what forms
the basis for the subsequent factor pertaining to Adam and Eve. Namely, the argument asserts that, because the Scriptures
only record that Yahweh seemingly only made "one Eve" for Adam, that somehow implies an "original plan of Yahweh for marriage"
only for monogamy. The resulting implied speculation from that is that polygamy is to be perceived as somehow against that
perceived "original plan of Yahweh for marriage".
Upon deeper investigation, however, that speculative assertion does
not hold up. If doctrine would hold people to a perceived "original plan of Yahweh", then at least two things must also
be binding upon mankind. For examples, 1. people must only walk around in nudity, and 2. people must never die. Of
course, to suggest such things is an absolute absurdity. According to the Bible, the reason that those two examples are
obviously not binding as doctrine is because of Adam's sin. That sin of Adam had forever after changed (as it were) the "plan
of Yahweh" as applies to us for doctrine.
The Scriptures inform us that "the wages of sin is death" (Romiyah/Romans
6:23). From that, the Bible further explains that, "Wherefore, as by one man [[ i.e., Adam ]] sin entered the world, and death
[[ entered the world ]] by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned." (Romiyah 5:12.)
When Adam
sinned, death entered in. Adam's sin is why we now die. And it is also why we now wear clothes rather than remaining nude,
according to Beresheeth 3:21. The fact that we now wear clothes and do die is the proof that we are no longer under any perceived
"original plan".
So what has Yahweh planned for us instead? He gave us "the second Adam", which is Moshiach, that we
might have life everlasting in Him (per Yochanan/John 3:16.).
"And so it is written, The first man Adam was made
a living soul; the last Adam [[ which is Moshiach ]] was made a quickening spirit." Alef Qorintyah/1 Corinthians 15:45.
The
first Adam brought death by his sin. The second Adam, which is Moshiach, brought life by His righteousness.
"Howbeit
that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is
of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Master Yahshua from heaven." Alef Qorintyah15:46-47.
Adam was of the
flesh, while Moshiach is of the Ruach (Spirit). Because Romiyah 8:1 shows us that we are to walk in the Ruach and not according
to the flesh, we are certainly NOT supposed to follow after the example of the first Adam (who was of the flesh), but after
the second Adam (who is of the Ruach), which is Moshiach.
With this now realized that we follow after the "second Adam",
Moshiach, we look to Moshiach as the example set for us in the true and current "plan of Yahweh for marriage". And this is
explicitly confirmed and explained for us in Ephsiyah/Ephesians 5:22-25:
"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands,
as unto Yahshua. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Moshiach is the Head of the Yisraelite congregation: and
he is the Saviour of the body. Therefore as the Yisraelite congregation is subject unto Moshiach, so let the wives be to their
own husbands in every thing. Husbands, love your wives, even as Moshiach also loved the Yisraelite congregation, and gave
himself for it". Ephsiyah 5:22-25
This is very explicit. The "plan of Yahweh for marriage" is detailed as being
modeled after, not the example of the first Adam (of flesh) and his wife Eve, but after the example of the second Adam, which
is Moshiach (of Ruach) and His Yisraelite congregation.
Following this model, each husband is to love his wives as
selflessly, "footwashingly", and life-givingly as Moshiach so loves the Yisraelite congregation (that He laid down His life
in the depth of such love). So too, each wife is to love her husband as each Yisraelite congregation so loves the one and
only Moshiach Yahshua.
As there is only one Moshiach for the Yisraelite congregations, there is only one husband. And
as there are more than only one Yisraelite congregation loved by Moshiach, it would not be sinful if there be more than one
wife, of course.
This is confirmed, of course, by the Parable of the Ten Virgins in Matthew 25:1-13. The Master Yahshua
Moshiach described Himself as the polygamist Bridegroom for the "five wise virgins", which are the Yisraelite congregations.
So,
in conclusion, what we see is that the "plan of Yahweh for marriage" is very explicitly NOT after the model of the fleshly,
death-causing first Adam and his (Scripture-recorded) apparent "one" wife, Eve.
Rather, the Hebrew Scripture is clear
that the current "plan of Yahweh for marriage" is after the model of the Spiritual, life-bringing second Adam, Moshiach, and
His Yisraelite congregation.
May I just quote our Master - "Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or
the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to complete. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away,
one jot or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done." Matt. 5:17,18
I trust this will enhance
your own understanding of the issue from another deeper perspective.
Shalom Aliechem (Peace to you) from Rabbi Israel
Wichman
Reply by Rabbi Israel Wichman on June 22, 2008 at 4:21pm
Shalom Jeff from Rabbi Israel Wichman
Law of the Land
These views and understandings
are very valuable for us to explore and clarify without emotion and without the risk of being deleted from this portal, and
I give thanks to Yahweh for bold men who are faithful, steadfast and upholders of Torah Faith principles who have made this
possible, and principally Rabbi Samuel Thompson who has risen up and taken the initiative to make this portal available. Baruch
Yaweh. Amein.
It is a good thing to be able to objectively look at important subjects like the restoration of the one
Hebrew Patriarchal Faith with it's key Torah Plural Marriage perspective through Hebrew understanding so that our western/Greek/Roman
shaped mindsets along with any prejudices can be renewed into Torah understanding, wisdom and subsequent lifestyle.
A
common argument often used as the last-resort "excuse", in trying to still assert that polygamy (polygyny) must somehow be
a sin, is what is known as the "law of the land" argument.
In quoting Romans 13:1-7, Titus 3:1, and 1 Peter 2:13-26,
this attempted argument asserts that, because polygamy is perceptibly against the "law of the land", and because these passages
instruct Bible-believers to follow the "laws of the land", this itself makes polygamy a sin.
Before addressing this
argument directly, it is important to first address the details by which no "law of the land" is actually being broken.
In
a legal technical sense, polygamy itself is not usually specifically against the law. Rather, the legal term, "bigamy", is
the outlawed act of a person having government-recognized existing marriages (i.e., government-recognized by "marriage license")
with more than one living spouse at the same time. As such, as long as polygamist families do not obtain government-recognition
(e.g., seeking a marriage-license), there is no breaking of any law.
To Bible-believers, marriage is defined by Yahweh
Who alone has the authority. It is not defined by any government.
In the Bible, there is not one single example of
any marriage becoming "legitimate" because of definition or decree by government. The truth is, if marriage is defined by
governments, then that would say that none of the men in the Bible were actually married.
That would be absurd, of
course!
While the Churches have mistakenly acquiesced (even capitulated) their trust in Yahweh's authority (as sole
definer of marriage), in their wrongly thinking that government has such authority to define marriage, even so, the reality
is this:
It is not against the law to NOT GET MARRIED, in terms of any government definition of "getting married".
Cohabitation
is no longer against the law of the land of most countries in the modern era.
If any government simply views a relationship
as being that of cohabitating (which is not illegal), then even though Bible-believers and Yahweh know that the same relationship
is indeed that of marriage before Yahweh, as defined by Yahweh alone, the truth remains: no "law of the land" is being broken.
The
interesting thing to note about this attempted argument against polygamy, though, is the blatant obviousness of the "circular
logic" which this "law of the land" argument employs.
Namely, the argument says this: Polygamy is a sin beause it
is against the law. How did the bigamy laws come into existence in the first place? They made polygamy against the law
because they thought it was a sin! Therein is the "circular logic".
The argument has no external support supporting
it. It goes round and round in trying to support itself, saying: • Why is polygamy against the law? Because it's
a sin. • Why is polygamy a sin? Because it's against the law. • But why is it against the law? Because
polygamy is a sin. • Why is it a sin? Because polygamy is against the law. And round and round it goes.
Of
course, as it is clearly proven that polygamy is not a sin, because polygamy really is Biblical, then that "circular logic"
falls apart.
Since polygamy is NOT a sin, it should NOT be against the law! And since most polygamist families are
actually not breaking the law anyway, it is still not sin.
As such, there should be no "law of the land" against polygamy. And
that leads to the final irony that anyone would use the "law of the land" argument in the first place!
In countries
such as the United States, Bible-believers take great comfort in knowing and acting upon the legislative process by which
the "laws of the land" can be passed, amended, and even repealed. If any law were passed, amended, or repealed which resulted
in making things harder on true Bible-believers, they would (rightly) call it their Biblical DUTY to rise up to overturn the
passing, amendment, or repeal.
Therein is the irony!
Even as polygamous Bible-believers and Torah Plural Marrieds
are meticulous to not break any "law of the land", the bigamy laws are, nevertheless, truly burdensome. All the while, many
non-polygamous Bible-believers would continue to look the other way and use the flawed "law of the land" argument to still
oppose polygamy.
In using the "law of the land" argument, though, the very Bible-believers who would rightly work to
make changes in law if it isolated or it made things harder for fellow Bible-believers are unwittingly relying on this flawed
"circular logic" argument to NOT do their otherwise self-defined Biblical duty to overturn laws which do isolate and make
things harder for fellow Bible-believers with polygamous families.
Thus, to not help such fellow Bible-believers with
polygamous families to have freedom from the burdensome bigamy "laws of the land", such ones can be viewed as simply, albeit
mostly unwittingly, continuing to fulfill the Spirit-given prophecy of 1 Timothy 4:1-3a.
While all this happens, of
course, polygamous Bible-believers will continue to not break any laws, simply by means of cohabitation before government,
but of marriage before Yahweh. No doubt, should the bigamy "laws of the land" ever become changed and repealed, the "circular
logic" will clearly require those who employ the "law of the land" argument to then have to wholly accept that polygamy really
is Biblical.
Shalom Aliechem from Rabbi Israel.
Reply by Rabbi Israel Wichman 10 hours ago
Yahweh said He GAVE Wives from Rabbi Israel Wichman
Shalom Jeff
I may have
mentioned earlier, but I would encourage you to check the information we have made available on the Forum called: "Much has
been said recently regarding Torah Plural Marriage." The information there lays a foundation of teaching to bring clarity
and understanding to this subject and to help gain insight and a little truth and openness to a subject which is shrouded
in ignorance.
Sometimes, people are indeed honest enough to admit that the Bible really does not prohibit polygamy
(polygyny). However, as a hedge against that admission, such ones may then resort to saying one of the following assertions: •
"Yes, but Yahweh never condoned polygamy." • "Yes, Yahweh allowed it, but He was against polygamy." • "Polygamy
was only man's idea, not Yahweh's". • "Yes, but Yahweh never approved of polygamy."
The passage involving
2 Shemu'el/Samuel 12:8 rather clearly reveals otherwise.
"And I gave you your master's house, and your master's wives
into your bosom, and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that were not enough, I also would have given you so
much more!" 2 Shemu'el 12:8.
The context of the verse is that of Yahweh, speaking through a prophet (Nathan), calling
out David for David's sin of taking another man's wife (Bathsheba, wife of Uriah the Hittite), which is adultery indeed, and
for setting up the death of Uriah the Hittite to try to hide David's sin.
Also, at the point in time of this situation,
David had already been married to at least seven known-named wives. (1 Shemu'el 18:27, 25:42-43, 2 Shemu'el 3:2-5.)
But,
in this verse 12 (above), Yahweh was not condemning David for all his wives! In fact, this verse 12 shows Yahweh Himself
actually saying that HE was the One Who had GIVEN David His wives.
If Yahweh was against David's polygamy, He certainly
would not have said that He had GIVEN David his wives. But Yahweh did not stop there. That verse 12 shows that the Yahweh
took it even one step further than that! The Yahweh Elohaynu even went on further to say that if David had wanted more wives,
Yahweh Elohaynu Himself said that He would have given David even more!
It was only because David had sinned, in committing
adultery by taking another man's wife, and then causing that man's death to try to hide David's sin, that the Yahweh was calling
him out through the prophet Nathan. There was no sin in the polygamy at all. This is later confirmed, that this was the
only matter by 1 Melakim/Kings 15:5, which says the following:
"Because David did that which was right in the eyes
of the Yahweh, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter
of Uriah the Hittite. " 1 Melakim 15:5.
Two verses before that, in 1 Melakim 15:3, the Hebrew Scripture says that
David's heart was perfect with the Yahweh Elohim.
Very clearly, therefore, what all this shows is that Yahweh is the
One Who gives wives, even when more than one wife.
This is, of course, confirmed by 1 Corinthians 7:17. "Only, as
Elohim has distributed to each one, as the Master has called each one, so let him walk. And so I order in all the assemblies." 1
Corinthians 7:17.
Be it NO wife, ONE wife, or MORE THAN ONE wife, it is only Yahweh who calls and gives. As
such, it is clear that the Scripture does, in fact, explicitly show • "Yes, Yahweh did condone polygamy." •
"Yes,Yahweh allowed it, and He was not against polygamy." • "Polygamy is not a man's idea, but Yahweh's". •
"Yes, Yahweh did approve of polygamy."
In 2 Samuel 12:8, He Himself said so!
Shalom Aliechem Rabbi Israel
Wichman
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